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Re: 36W Turretboard Layout

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crgfrench wrote:
Sat 09/12/20 11:04 pm
Nope. It's pretty identical. I do get more headroom when I turn on the NFB switch though. I voiced my Normal channel like a Tweed Deluxe and my TMB channel like a Plexi, so the cleanest setting is plug into the normal channel and switch NFB ON. Dirtiest setting is plug into TMB channel, dime volume and switch NFB OFF ( & set MV to desired loudness). Punchiest/girthiest is plug into TMB Hi gain jack, jumper TMB Lo gain jack to Normal Hi Gain jack, leave NFB OFF and use all 36 Watts.
Thanks for the tone report, Craig. That's interesting. Reason I ask, is that a lot of guys report a sense of more apparent weight, if you will, with the same preamp, but into a 4xEL84 power amp versus 2xEL84. An AC15, for example, does not sound or feel the same as an AC30. Of course there is the volume difference, larger output transformer, and pushing a second speaker will spread the sound out a bit more so that's not quite an apples to apples comparison.
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Re: 36W Turretboard Layout

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colossal wrote:
Sun 09/13/20 8:08 am
...An AC15, for example, does not sound or feel the same as an AC30. Of course there is the volume difference, larger output transformer, and pushing a second speaker will spread the sound out a bit more so that's not quite an apples to apples comparison.
True. Plus, the Vox circuits are different. e.g., the AC30 Top Boost uses a shared 1k5 + 22/25 on the first tube's cathodes whereas the AC15 has a 1k5 + 22/50 on one triode and a 6k8 with no cap on the other triode. plus quite a few other differences. So I would expect an AC15 to sound different from an AC30. On the other hand, switching to half power in my 36W is the exact same circuit and components, so I would expect it to sound very similar yet quieter when going to 18W.
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Is the bigger Iron (PTx and OTx) not giving a different sound on 18 watt mode than the regular 18w Iron gear?
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Bieworm wrote:
Sun 09/13/20 11:36 am
Is the bigger Iron (PTx and OTx) not giving a different sound on 18 watt mode than the regular 18w Iron gear?
That is a good question! Unfortunately I could only speculate as I have no way to make a direct comparison. The 36W OT is Heyboer HTS7717 from GDS, while the 18W OTs I have used have all been Heyboer HT6135 from Mojotone. PT also from GDS here, vs the 6179 from Mojo.

The way to test this would be to swap in the 18W iron and run the amp at 1/2 power. That would be an interesting test. Can't happen here with this particular build, since it's already delivered to its owner. However I have (almost) enough parts kicking around to actually do that with another amp. That won't be happening this year, for sure, as I'm back on an 18W Fullerwell build now (using a Drake 784-103 OT repro from Chris Merren). But perhaps after that? ...
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Re: 36W Turretboard Layout

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geoff 1965 wrote:
Tue 07/14/20 4:22 pm
give us some feedback on that effects loop when it's finished
Quick note on the FX loop: The original board worked great (switching FX in & out), but was causing strange randomly intermittent volume spikes and drops as well as nasty noise that sounded like "radio station hiss between stations". I removed it from the amp and examined it closely, and found that the cathode leg of C5 was not soldered into the board, just sitting there dry in the via. I contacted Saul, who was awesome and sent me a replacement board immediately. While waiting for the new board, I soldered the cap leg myself and reinstalled the first board, but unfortunately there must have been some other issue too as the noise issues persisted. I pulled the board again, and because the owner had been waiting 3 months at that point offered to deliver him the amp sans FX loop (the 3 months was caused partially by a 1 month delay of the pink tolex thanks to the USPS but that's another story); he wanted the amp so I delivered it with the promise to install the new FX loop when it arrived. Well it arrived quickly, but the guy can't stop playing the amp long enough to give it up for a day! So someday hopefully soon I'll get it back and install the new loop board for him. In the meantime he's plugging into the High gain British channel jack, sending to his pedalboard from the Lo gain British channel jack, and taking the return into the High Gain American channel jack. This gives him a wet/dry control via the volume controls on each channel. But it is an "all front-end" solution, vs the buffered loop between the preamp & PI.
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Re: 36W Turretboard Layout

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Bieworm wrote:
Sun 09/13/20 11:36 am
Is the bigger Iron (PTx and OTx) not giving a different sound on 18 watt mode than the regular 18w Iron gear?
One other thing I just remembered: The 36W will have slightly less sag than the 18W because it uses the GZ34 rectifier rather than the EZ81. The EZ81 has a higher sloped forward voltage drop curve than the GZ34. Not as much sag as a 5U4GB and, obviously less than a 5Y3, but more than the GZ34 which offers the least sag of all vacuum tube rectifiers.
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Re: 36W Turretboard Layout

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This was how I designed the tonestack:
https://youtu.be/RHZD43EHzpI
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