I found this link posted on AX84. Mentions Billy Gibbons too...
http://202.186.86.35/audio/story.asp?fi ... =audiofile
FYI - Interesting Ceriatone Article
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''''""""Well, the relevant schematics and circuit diagrams have always been available on the World Wide Web""""
As articles go,they always seem to have mistakes,i think your at the mercy of the writer.. but the 18 layout was not always on the WWW until we started the group and put it out there. And Graydon was the one that started the intrest in building these amps,or got the ball rolling so to speak.
Marshall themselves said, the intrest was raised in the DIY "after" the re-issiue or kinda backwards.
As for people buying a marshall clone,or selling an amp to Billy Gibbons,or making an amp that has evolved from the 18,probably would not have happened if it weren't for the people that have figured it out long before them.
Some amp builders mention 18 watt.com proudly, and then some say its there own design or something close,and no mention where it came from.
I think the AX84 site has rights to things that are designed from there site.
Nik does offer a good deal on the DIY kits, i think this is more what the article was about.
Richie
As articles go,they always seem to have mistakes,i think your at the mercy of the writer.. but the 18 layout was not always on the WWW until we started the group and put it out there. And Graydon was the one that started the intrest in building these amps,or got the ball rolling so to speak.
Marshall themselves said, the intrest was raised in the DIY "after" the re-issiue or kinda backwards.
As for people buying a marshall clone,or selling an amp to Billy Gibbons,or making an amp that has evolved from the 18,probably would not have happened if it weren't for the people that have figured it out long before them.
Some amp builders mention 18 watt.com proudly, and then some say its there own design or something close,and no mention where it came from.
I think the AX84 site has rights to things that are designed from there site.
Nik does offer a good deal on the DIY kits, i think this is more what the article was about.
Richie
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"I think the AX84 site has rights to things that are designed from their site. "
Chris H. claims trademark rights to "Ax84" plus the various names that have been given to amp designs originating from the Ax84 (TM) site. The designs are public domain, Chris says, "build 'em, sell 'em... just don't call your amp a P1". The exception is if you were involved in the design process, for instance Mark H. has a November variant on the site so he may be able to sell that version as a "November".
The original concept of the site was to create a co-operative tube amp project which is exactly what the November turned out to be. Obviously enough it's mostly a Randall Aiken design although various builders contributed their variations of it, many are closely related to the "original" design, others depart substantially from the "original" design.
Part of Aiken's concept was to promote awareness of tube technology, I can say from personal experience that there are now more resources available for tube amp builders than there have been for the last 35 years or so, Ax84 circa 1998 contributed greatly to creating the current proliferation of tube amp resources. Even ten years ago availability of schematics and technical information related to tube guitar amps was limited, with the Internet any of us can access libraries of technical information worldwide. The only drawback is that with the proliferation of information it is still necessary to seperate fact from fiction. It's difficult to argue with a reprint of a vintage schematic or a posting of engineering data, by the same token schematics are frequently re-drawn to skirt copyrights and may contain errors, transcriptions of data sets also may contain errors.
Another benefit of the explosion of interest in vintage tube amp designs is that there are more hardware resources available for amp builders than there have been available since about 1960, in some areas there are more products tailored to "our" needs than there ever have been, for instance we now have more choices of guitar speakers than we ever had. Availability of chassis and transformer products is fantastic, without these some amps would be at least a lot more difficult to build, it would be impractical or impossible to build some designs without these products.
Chris H. claims trademark rights to "Ax84" plus the various names that have been given to amp designs originating from the Ax84 (TM) site. The designs are public domain, Chris says, "build 'em, sell 'em... just don't call your amp a P1". The exception is if you were involved in the design process, for instance Mark H. has a November variant on the site so he may be able to sell that version as a "November".
The original concept of the site was to create a co-operative tube amp project which is exactly what the November turned out to be. Obviously enough it's mostly a Randall Aiken design although various builders contributed their variations of it, many are closely related to the "original" design, others depart substantially from the "original" design.
Part of Aiken's concept was to promote awareness of tube technology, I can say from personal experience that there are now more resources available for tube amp builders than there have been for the last 35 years or so, Ax84 circa 1998 contributed greatly to creating the current proliferation of tube amp resources. Even ten years ago availability of schematics and technical information related to tube guitar amps was limited, with the Internet any of us can access libraries of technical information worldwide. The only drawback is that with the proliferation of information it is still necessary to seperate fact from fiction. It's difficult to argue with a reprint of a vintage schematic or a posting of engineering data, by the same token schematics are frequently re-drawn to skirt copyrights and may contain errors, transcriptions of data sets also may contain errors.
Another benefit of the explosion of interest in vintage tube amp designs is that there are more hardware resources available for amp builders than there have been available since about 1960, in some areas there are more products tailored to "our" needs than there ever have been, for instance we now have more choices of guitar speakers than we ever had. Availability of chassis and transformer products is fantastic, without these some amps would be at least a lot more difficult to build, it would be impractical or impossible to build some designs without these products.
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At least Nik isn't out there saying he has designed something new and patenting designs in common use like a more famous amp maker! 
I'm glad he's getting recognition so he'll stay available as a resource for parts. He seems like a good guy who offers a good product.
As for 18watt.com not getting mentioned, most of what you read always tries to market the subject as the originator. In Marshall's case, they made the first one, period. Now if 65 Amps claimed to have made a totally unique "new" amp, that would be wrong.
Lets face it, all of this stuff started from a tube manual somewhere. Maybe Tesla or Edison could claim some originality, but Leo Fender and Jim Marshall didn't create the stuff out of thin air and no-one today does either.
Go Nik - I hope you get a lot more recognition.
I'm glad he's getting recognition so he'll stay available as a resource for parts. He seems like a good guy who offers a good product.
As for 18watt.com not getting mentioned, most of what you read always tries to market the subject as the originator. In Marshall's case, they made the first one, period. Now if 65 Amps claimed to have made a totally unique "new" amp, that would be wrong.
Lets face it, all of this stuff started from a tube manual somewhere. Maybe Tesla or Edison could claim some originality, but Leo Fender and Jim Marshall didn't create the stuff out of thin air and no-one today does either.
Go Nik - I hope you get a lot more recognition.
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