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I can't seem to zoom in on the PI input grid wave...
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Now I'm going to bed... good night
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TriodeLuvr wrote:
Thu 01/07/21 2:44 pm
mA isn't amplitude. I'm pretty sure that was a typo.
LOL, I dunno what you're talking about, it says mV on my post. ;) ;) :rol:
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Bieworm wrote:
Thu 01/07/21 4:50 pm
Now I'm going to bed... good night
And when you wake up, make the amp match my circled changes:
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Note the tube changes I listed on the attached voltage chart. Take new voltages after making the changes.

Thanks,
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Just curious, what does swapping the triode pin connections in V1 & V2 accomplish?
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Thanks Josh!!
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crgfrench wrote:
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Just curious, what does swapping the triode pin connections in V1 & V2 accomplish?
It's layout related to avoid wires crossing.
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Bieworm wrote:
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crgfrench wrote:
Thu 01/07/21 11:50 pm
Just curious, what does swapping the triode pin connections in V1 & V2 accomplish?
It's layout related to avoid wires crossing.
That can make a big difference. I saw it in the prototype of my current project when I was testing with octals. At one point, I tried to cross the signal wires over each other for convenience, and there was a loud complaint. OTOH, I don't see any indication of oscillation in the scope traces you posted. Very strange. Could this be a frequency response problem? Have you swept it with your generator to confirm that it's doing what it should?

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TriodeLuvr wrote:
Fri 01/08/21 1:14 am
Bieworm wrote:
Fri 01/08/21 12:18 am
crgfrench wrote:
Thu 01/07/21 11:50 pm
Just curious, what does swapping the triode pin connections in V1 & V2 accomplish?
It's layout related to avoid wires crossing.
That can make a big difference. I saw it in the prototype of my current project when I was testing with octals. At one point, I tried to cross the signal wires over each other for convenience, and there was a loud complaint. OTOH, I don't see any indication of oscillation in the scope traces you posted. Very strange. Could this be a frequency response problem? Have you swept it with your generator to confirm that it's doing what it should?

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I don't know. I haven't ran it through the speaker. Just took some voltages yesterday for Josh. And further on I started scoping. More out of curiosity what the signal looks like and what values they represent. I'm just barely getting a hold of the scope-thang. Never did that before with electronic devices. I only used a scope back in the nineties for measurements of compression and rebound af shock absorbers (Tenneco Engineering)
I wonder howcome I can't get a decent wave size when measuring the PI....
Next week I have a better scope, so I'll look forward to measuring with better equipment.
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Bieworm wrote:
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I wonder howcome I can't get a decent wave size when measuring the PI....
Did you try adjusting the "Scale" knob (the larger white dial just above the probe jack)?
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crgfrench wrote:
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Bieworm wrote:
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I wonder howcome I can't get a decent wave size when measuring the PI....
Did you try adjusting the "Scale" knob (the larger white dial just above the probe jack)?
I'm doing nothing but that. With the other tubes there's no problem of scaling in. But with the PI it's not the case... I'm puzzled.
Next week I'll have my Siglent 1102 CML and will be evaluating again with better equipment. If I don't understand something I'll ask you directly, since you have one of those :D
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Fri 01/08/21 2:12 am

I'm doing nothing but that. With the other tubes there's no problem of scaling in. But with the PI it's not the case... I'm puzzled.
I wonder if this indicates a gain problem directly ahead of the PI? If the earlier stages are having to compensate for a loss later in the chain, they might be overloading too early. On the other hand, I think you're seeing roughly the correct peak voltage on the grids of the output tubes (assuming I'm interpreting your scope traces correctly). It's a mystery...

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JMPGuitars wrote:
Thu 01/07/21 6:19 pm
Bieworm wrote:
Thu 01/07/21 4:50 pm
Now I'm going to bed... good night
And when you wake up, make the amp match my circled changes:
Preamp.jpg

PowerAmp.jpg


Note the tube changes I listed on the attached voltage chart. Take new voltages after making the changes.

Thanks,
Josh
Here the voltages after the change:
Still fizz...
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Re: Parasitic oscillation problem untraceable

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Bieworm wrote:
Fri 01/08/21 2:43 pm
Still fizz...
Those voltages are with a 12AT7 in the PI?

There's a few things left to try.

First, try lowering the plate resistors on the PI and bring the plate voltages up. Let's try for 200 to 225 and see what (if any) effect that has.

Second, make the snubber circuit.

Besides that, you need to get another set of power tubes (or two sets) to rule them out.

Maybe also a good time to do a highlighter test again.

Another option would be an NFB.
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JMPGuitars wrote:
Fri 01/08/21 6:01 pm
Bieworm wrote:
Fri 01/08/21 2:43 pm
Still fizz...
Those voltages are with a 12AT7 in the PI?

There's a few things left to try.

First, try lowering the plate resistors on the PI and bring the plate voltages up. Let's try for 200 to 225 and see what (if any) effect that has.

Second, make the snubber circuit.

Besides that, you need to get another set of power tubes (or two sets) to rule them out.

Maybe also a good time to do a highlighter test again.

Another option would be an NFB.
No a 12ax7
I know I should get other tubes. The ones in there are new ehx 6v6gt
Maybe the OT is faulty.. that would be a bummer.
This is a tricky thing to find ...
NFB? Isn't that bad for nice overdrive?
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