Help improve pp-18 tone
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Sorry for the delay:
-unscaled: B+=330V, kV=9.85v
-scaled: B+=30V, kV=0.72V
The pot is the stock shipped by Dana Hall, it should be 1M linear pot (it has a circled "a" on it).
I installed a 12v zener Ruby mod, and the fizz seems to go way at max volume, while it's quite evident at medium VVR settings.
It seems that if I turn the VVR down enough (max attenuation) the fizz goes away again. Does this make sense?
And I found that if I strike a chord, kV goes up to 15-16 V. Does this mean that, since the bias shift to the cold side, I'm also getting less power? Could a bigger cathode cap give more output power?
I would be glad if the amp was a little bit louder : )
I also found true what Daviedawg said.
-unscaled: B+=330V, kV=9.85v
-scaled: B+=30V, kV=0.72V
The pot is the stock shipped by Dana Hall, it should be 1M linear pot (it has a circled "a" on it).
I installed a 12v zener Ruby mod, and the fizz seems to go way at max volume, while it's quite evident at medium VVR settings.
It seems that if I turn the VVR down enough (max attenuation) the fizz goes away again. Does this make sense?
And I found that if I strike a chord, kV goes up to 15-16 V. Does this mean that, since the bias shift to the cold side, I'm also getting less power? Could a bigger cathode cap give more output power?
I would be glad if the amp was a little bit louder : )
I also found true what Daviedawg said.
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That's so kind of you, thanks a lot!!
And... NOS tubes in the mail!! I'm putting them in this evening, I was thinking to increase cathode resistor to dissipate about 10W and to add 100ohms screen resistor as suggested here, and maybe to decrese screen voltage a bit as suggested here: http://www.18watt.com/storage/18wattLite2b.gif
Is there anything else I should know to preserve NOS tubes life without sacrifing the tone too much?
And... NOS tubes in the mail!! I'm putting them in this evening, I was thinking to increase cathode resistor to dissipate about 10W and to add 100ohms screen resistor as suggested here, and maybe to decrese screen voltage a bit as suggested here: http://www.18watt.com/storage/18wattLite2b.gif
Is there anything else I should know to preserve NOS tubes life without sacrifing the tone too much?
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In that case increase the cathode cap size to 1000uF+, to help regulate the bias voltage.I was thinking to increase cathode resistor to dissipate about 10W and to add 100ohms screen resistor as suggested here, and maybe to decrese screen voltage a bit as suggested here: http://www.18watt.com/storage/18wattLite2b.gif
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Almost there asd. Hope you haven't given up on this. I'll have something soon, but I've been busy finishing the testing of another amp I've been working on. Have worked out the basics but still thinking around what is needed to protect the NPN transistor. In its basic form the emitter to base max voltage will be exceeded when reverse biased (not conducting with the normal positive part of the signal). Anyway, should have something for you to try over the next few days.
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What did you get for NOS tubes?asd wrote:...
And... NOS tubes in the mail!! I'm putting them in this evening, I was thinking to increase cathode resistor to dissipate about 10W and to add 100ohms screen resistor as suggested here, and maybe to decrese screen voltage a bit as suggested here: http://www.18watt.com/storage/18wattLite2b.gif
Is there anything else I should know to preserve NOS tubes life without sacrifing the tone too much?
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I'm here Katopan, waiting faithfully : ) Thanks for your effort.Almost there asd. Hope you haven't given up on this.
Sgt. overdrive said that it's 2 saratovs 7189 and 2 sylvanias 12ax7.What did you get for NOS tubes?
The Saratov's should be from the 80's and and on the Silvania's there is written 59-2 so I suspect the are from late 50's...
But one 12ax7 is branded as westing-house, it's short grey plate and that should be the sylvania.
The other one has no brand, it's long grey plate and that's a 274 on it.
Confronting few pics on the net I suspect it's an RCA.
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OK, this is experimental and I haven't tried it out myself. The MJE350 is overkill but is readily available and should be bulletproof in this application. It is not even close to needing a heatsink. Likewise the three protection diodes feels like I'm going overboard, but they're 50c each and transistors really don't like much of a reverse bias voltage, especially emitter to base. So we need to protect it and also not provide any bypass paths around any of the resistance, so it stays around the required 470k in both directions. Lastly I couldn't think of any way to avoid using a dual gang pot, so this control has to be independent of the VVR control, and dialled in along side the VVR setting.
I'd just attach the file except attachments haven't worked here for a while now, so I've put it on my site - link below.
https://sites.google.com/site/chosenaud ... edirects=0
I'd just attach the file except attachments haven't worked here for a while now, so I've put it on my site - link below.
https://sites.google.com/site/chosenaud ... edirects=0
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Where are you and what shop is your preferred source? Was thinking I could look through a website for you and make a recommendation.
The MJE340 was the best choice for what is available here in Aust through one of our last surviving electronics retail store chains. It's always hard putting part numbers on schematics because different countries have easier access to different parts.
The MJE340 was the best choice for what is available here in Aust through one of our last surviving electronics retail store chains. It's always hard putting part numbers on schematics because different countries have easier access to different parts.
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I can go at the local shop tomorrow. What kind of transistor I should be asking for? Any npn 300V rated transistor?Any luck finding a transistor asd? The MJE340 is overkill. What are all the npn options you have from your local store?
BTW: is it possible to change my nickname or at least my password? I'm still using that account found on the internet, virtually anyone can log in with this account...
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It would be a pain but I don't know if you could get a list of the npn transistors they have in stock, and then we could pick the most suitable.
300V is overkill. This thing sits on the ground side of the coupling caps, so it's all signal voltage with no DC. Looking at a test waveform document I put together ages ago, the PI output / power grid input is no more than 50V peak. Worst case peak current is if you had the VVR turned all the way up and the variable zener all the way down - from the 12AX7 curves it's about 3.5mA peak, but let's allow for 5mA. We're only clipping one side so half the cycle is 5mA peak and the other side our blocking diodes prevent current flow through the transistor. Average power dissipation is going to be something like 50V x 5mA x 0.5 duty cycle = 0.125W. Geez it's looking like this could be done with a small signal transistor like a BC546.
To be honest I would go for something in a bigger case. Typical TO-92 thermal resistance junction to ambient is something like 200 degC/W so our 0.125W is going to result in a temperature rise of 25 degC above ambient. But I'd want to have this thing bulletproof. I think the minimum spec you'd want would be TO-126 case or bigger, and 80V or more rating. Anything that meets that will be able to take the 5ma current. The protection diodes cover everything else you'd be worried about.
Let us know what you find.
300V is overkill. This thing sits on the ground side of the coupling caps, so it's all signal voltage with no DC. Looking at a test waveform document I put together ages ago, the PI output / power grid input is no more than 50V peak. Worst case peak current is if you had the VVR turned all the way up and the variable zener all the way down - from the 12AX7 curves it's about 3.5mA peak, but let's allow for 5mA. We're only clipping one side so half the cycle is 5mA peak and the other side our blocking diodes prevent current flow through the transistor. Average power dissipation is going to be something like 50V x 5mA x 0.5 duty cycle = 0.125W. Geez it's looking like this could be done with a small signal transistor like a BC546.
To be honest I would go for something in a bigger case. Typical TO-92 thermal resistance junction to ambient is something like 200 degC/W so our 0.125W is going to result in a temperature rise of 25 degC above ambient. But I'd want to have this thing bulletproof. I think the minimum spec you'd want would be TO-126 case or bigger, and 80V or more rating. Anything that meets that will be able to take the 5ma current. The protection diodes cover everything else you'd be worried about.
Let us know what you find.
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