36 watt transformers

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36 watt transformers

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Hi all
Having built and continually tweaking my 18 watt builds, I am thinking about building a 36 watter.
Apart from more volume, are there any other benefits - more headroom, punch ( expense ) ?
Also, I am in the UK and Ampmaker did have a kit but they have downsized. Primary Windings, who were making their transformers may be able to help I expect.
Tube Town in Germany sell some but not sure If anyone has good or bad things to say about them.
Hammond may have some too and they did have a distributor here in the UK.
As always, look forward to any feedback and advice.
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Hi..
I'm from Belgium and I purchase a lot from Tube-Town. I actually have a 36W tremolo TMB which contains the Inmadout transformers Tube-Town sells as their house brand.
The 36w is not punchier, just more headroom. I like the 18W better.. but that's my opinion. The 36W is still a great amp
When those EL34 start roaring...wow!
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For me the difference is what tubes I get to play with. EL34 are my favorites, so that's why I build 36/40 versions.

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Bieworm wrote:
Fri 02/04/22 1:18 pm
Hi..
I'm from Belgium
We all have our personal problems :wink: but don't worry, you're among friends :)
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zaphod_phil wrote:
Wed 02/09/22 10:27 pm
Bieworm wrote:
Fri 02/04/22 1:18 pm
Hi..
I'm from Belgium
We all have our personal problems :wink: but don't worry, you're among friends :)
Thanks for the kind words ZP! I know I'm well surrounded 😃👌
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I have similar issues here in Australia the easiest and cheapest transformers to buy here are Hammond transformers as they have either local distribution, or free shipping from the likes of Mouser or Digikey.
The Hammond set is for the Vox AC30 rather than the 36 watt I have only just started looking into it but it seems like they will work. The Vox/Hammond 1750T output transformer has 4,000 primary ohms 8,16 output Push-Pull 30 watts
The Hammond power transformer specs are 30watts 550VCT @ 230mA 5VCT @ 3A 6.3VCT@6A​
Which is 30 volts lower on the Heyboer HTS-7042 bumped up to 290-0-290
Will this make much of a difference
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If you go solid state rectifier you will keep some more B+ voltage. Maybe it’s enough?
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What determines the wattage of an output transformer?
The Vox AC 30 output transformer and the tubetown 36 watt transformers both have the same primary impedance of 4000 Ohm / CT
Does this mean that I could substitute the Vox output transformer for the 36 watt one or are there other factors here?
Shipping costs on one power transformer would definitely be cheaper than importing both.

Also Given that an AC 30 Power transformer puts out 550VCT whilst the Tube Town 36 Watt is 600 CT and the Heyboer is 290VCT
And an AC 30 PT drives el84 tubes just fine even at a lower voltage, would there be a problem using the AC 30 power transformer for a 36 watt build?
I know there probably would have to be some component value changes.
Am I way off here ? I have yet to compare schematics to see how different the 2 amps actually are and I am only just learning this aspect of amp building.
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Re: 36 watt transformers

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Tim,

The AC 30 Power transformer puts out 550VCT = 275/0/275;
the Tube Town 36 Watt is 600VCT = 300/0/300;
the Heyboer is 580VCT = 290/0/290.

These are all very similar and all should work in a 4xEL84 build
("36 Watt" and "30 Watt").

Also, the Output transformers for these, with 4k primary to 4/8/16 secondary, should also be interchangeable.

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