Want to compare 36watter to a DC30

[HBamp]

Hello,

I 'am servicing a Jim Kelly Facs now and I must say I'am very impressed by the clean tone. It's the ultimate clean dreammachine and it's one off the few amps I like more than a JTM45 or any Fender set clean. For the rest I agree with Phil the real old Marshall family is hard to beat. Does anyone knows anything off the Peerless transformers Marshall used a long time ago.
Last week I had one off the early plexi's here with what I think Peerless transformers. This thing was one off the best Marshalls I ever heard and
I was surpriced to see how mutch off a bassman copy this one was.
Almost a exact copy.


Henk

[zaphod_phil]

I have just never gotton along with Tele's. I keep trying, but I haven't quite come to grips with them. I'm actually a Les Paul or PRS type of guy.

And I've never managed with LPs. The shape, weight and proportions somehow don't work for me. I bet I could get used to nice custom PRS, though!

I was surpriced to see how much of a bassman copy this one was. Almost an exact copy.

Yes, almost exactly. Just a higher gain preamp tube - and that's about it. But what a killer amp!

[twangbanger]

right now a tele w/ fralins and a 18 watt are killer.Run a 5751 in v1 and use the normal channel vol 7 and tone 8 it gets right in that Pete Anderson territory! You dont even need a compressor it has the best natural compression possible.

[dartanion]

I have just never gotton along with Tele's. I keep trying, but I haven't quite come to grips with them. I'm actually a Les Paul or PRS type of guy.

And I've never managed with LPs. The shape, weight and proportions somehow don't work for me. I bet I could get used to nice custom PRS, though!

I was surpriced to see how much of a bassman copy this one was. Almost an exact copy.

Yes, almost exactly. Just a higher gain preamp tube - and that's about it. But what a killer amp!

Hey Phil,

The Custom 24 is a SWEET guitar. I've attached a photo of the one I bought new in 1994. I do like Tele's, but haven't owned one in a few years. I guess I haven't found the right one for me yet.

I liken my 5E3 setup to a mini JTM45. I use a 7025/12AX7/ECC83 in V1 for a little extra kick, but tame down the PI a bit with a 5751 to linearize the volume control a touch. Through 2 alnico weber tens, it growls real nice and cleans up quite well to boot.

[zaphod_phil]

The Custom 24 is a SWEET guitar. I've attached a photo of the one I bought new in 1994.

Envyyyy!!!

[HBamp]

Hey Phill,

Phill wrote,
Yes, almost exactly. Just a higher gain preamp tube - and that's about it. But what a killer amp!
Can you emagine that the owner is a collector and not a musician.
This killer amp is only collecting dust. I hate the guy for that.

Do you know anything about the Peerless transformers?

Henk

[dartanion]

You'd probably want to kill me if I told you how much I got it for

How does this one make you feel?

[zaphod_phil]

You know, you could make yourself real unpopular round here showing pictures like that! Interesting - I didn't know Gibson did those with P90s. I though that was only an Epi model that had the P90s. Coincidentally, I have a buddy who's loaned me a vintage Japanese made Epiphone Casino and never asked for it back. Unlike most Casinos which have P90s, this one actually has H/Bs. He also has a Bassman head gathering dust in his attic...

Henk, I've never hard of those transformers being used in Marshalls before - but I'm not a vintage expert. T-Bones, Adrian/Wannatone or Mark Huss may know. The only one beginning with "P" which I think they sometimes used was Partridge.

[dartanion]

Hey Phil,

This is a 330 not a 335. The 330 also varies from a 335 in that it is a true hollow body where the 335 is semi-hollow body. This has a much different vibe to it, very easy to crank out some sweet sounding Neil Young riffs and not out of place ripping of some jazz runs. Those P90s are very hot and have loads of evil sizzle. It being a full hollow body and equiped with a Bigsby makes for some real fun controlled feedback

Here's a link:
http://www.provide.net/~cfh/gibson4.html#es330

I agree with their assessment that the 330 is very different than a 335, but I'm not so sure about the desirability factor. To a cork sniffing collector, yeah. But I'm a player more than a collector, however this guitar has more than doubled in value since I bought it. It plays incredibly well, is super light, and has tone galore.

I won't share photos of my strat or my acoustic then since you object

[rjgtr]

ZP - if you like a strat, comfortwise, a PRS is no problem. It fits almost exactly the same. Plus with their neck styles you can find one of those you like too. I own a McCarty, Hollowbody 2 and Custom 22, all with wide fat necks, and each is a great guitar. In fact, a PRS is one of the few guitars I have no fear of getting used on the web, since the build quality is nothing short of excellent. I've also been fortunate that each of mine have been great players.

On the 330 - they are a good Jazz guitar, but will feed back madly in a loud band. Gibson offered a whole range of thinline hollow bodies in most body styles. Even though not as desirable as a 335 to a collector, the right 330 can be a great guitar. The only issue is that Gibson played around with the neck join, making some 330s more playable than others.

JTM/Bassman - Even though the circuit is practically identical, there are some differences that make the amps sound different. I'd say they are very close cousins (not in Alabama sense tho...).

[dartanion]

Agreed! The PRS has a very strat like feel to it. Very comfortable guitar to play. I too would buy one without playing it it pictures showed it to be intact. All others I would want to play first. The PRS build quality is top notch and is very consistent. Not much build variation within their entire line guitars.

[zaphod_phil]

This is a 330 not a 335. The 330 also varies from a 335 in that it is a true hollow body where the 335 is semi-hollow body. This has a much different vibe to it....

OK then this is very similar to the Epiphone Casino, made famous by the Beatles. Basically, it's just the headstock and a couple of the decorative features that are different. Just the one I have is unusual for a Casino/330 due to the H/Bs,rather than P90s.

[dartanion]

Hi Phil,

I will have to check on this one, but I have read that all Epiphone thinline hollow body guitars were/are made with plywood tops, sides, and backs. Not that this truly wrecks their tone, only collector value if you ask me.

I'll send a link if I can find it again.

[dartanion]

Phil,

Here's the link:

http://www.provide.net/~cfh/epiphone.html#types

With this said, I have played plenty of Epiphone thinlines that had great tone. I think this site is aimed at collectors.

[BearsGoneFission]

I will have to check on this one, but I have read that all Epiphone thinline hollow body guitars were/are made with plywood tops, sides, and backs. Not that this truly wrecks their tone, only collector value if you ask me.
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So are most Gibsons. ES-335, 345, 355. ES-175. Hell, most things except L-5 and Super 400, really. The odd model will have solid tops, but they tend to be higher end big jazz boxes. If it feels solid and sounds good, don't fear the Epiphone.

Bear

[dartanion]

I will have to check on this one, but I have read that all Epiphone thinline hollow body guitars were/are made with plywood tops, sides, and backs. Not that this truly wrecks their tone, only collector value if you ask me.
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So are most Gibsons. ES-335, 345, 355. ES-175. Hell, most things except L-5 and Super 400, really. The odd model will have solid tops, but they tend to be higher end big jazz boxes. If it feels solid and sounds good, don't fear the Epiphone.

Bear

True, but from what I can discern, it was limited to lower end models such as the ES175, ES295, ES5, etc. I am not completely certain of this, but I believe this to be accurate.

It is on this page as well:
http://www.provide.net/~cfh/gibson.html

[BearsGoneFission]

Yep, that site confirms what I said. Add the Byrdland, Johnny Smith, and floating pickup models to what I said as the solid tops. God help the poor schmuck who has a solid top 335 custom built, as the laminate ones can already feed back like a MF.

Bear

[zaphod_phil]

I have read that all Epiphone thinline hollow body guitars were/are made with plywood tops, sides, and backs. Not that this truly wrecks their tone, only collector value if you ask me.

In the case of the Casino, the collector value holds up due to the association with the Beatles, as these guitars were one of their main instruments. I think the Casino I have on loan does have a plywood body (cherry-burst), but it sounds great and plays beautifully. However, because it has H/Bs rather than P90s, it's probably not worth quite as much. But as I don't own it and it sounds great anyway, I don't really care.

[rjgtr]

Gibson used multiply for the sides and backs of almost every hollowbody. Except in a very few cases, all guitars with pickups used multiply tops, the acoustic versions did not. They did this for structural and feedback reasons. They didn't want to resonant a guitar with pickups. This dated back to the earliest models with pickups.

If the Epiphone was built in the Gibson factory it is the same build quality as a Gibson, only the name has chaged. In fact, the fanciest 335 was the Epiphone Sheriton. It had the most inlay work of the 335 family.

[dartanion]

My bad. I'm sure you guys know more about this topic than I do. I certainly was not knocking Epiphone. My sole acoustic is a '65 Frontier FT110N that is really nice. The closest guitar in the shop tone and playability wise at the time was a '67 J200, and it was $2000 more than my Epiphone. It isn't a collectors item but it looks cool and plays and sounds great too.