cleanroom?

davemw · Post by **davemw** » Tue 04/18/06 11:53 am

is there much difference in clean room from a 18watt to a 36watt or is it just that much more loud distortion?

marshman · Post by **marshman** » Tue 04/18/06 12:06 pm

General consensus is that you'll get more headroom and bass response. I've never had a 36, but that sounds about right. I can tell you from experience that you can get similar results from a bigger/better/more efficient cab. Either route can/will effect your tone to some extent, but are options.

So many amps, so little money.

Post by **rjgtr** » Tue 04/18/06 1:03 pm

One thing a 36 will give you over the 18 watt (or any 4 output tube amp over any 2 output tube amp) is a much punchier low end. This is as true of a Plexi 100 over a 50. Of course and headroom.

EBE · Post by **EBE** » Tue 04/18/06 2:51 pm

clean = fender 6L6 based combo
Not Clean = 18 watt

Play an 18watt at club volumes and it will grind. If you want clean build a fender. I did and I like it a whole bunch. If I want Marshall mojo I A/B over to the 18watt (or 36).

davemw · Post by **davemw** » Tue 04/18/06 3:24 pm

ya i just cant make up my mind i have some 10watt tube amps from ax84 but want to build a gig amp and love the fender clean and love the 18watt dist.

i guess ill have to make both

Post by **zaphod_phil** » Wed 04/19/06 4:18 am

A lot of folks don't realize that Marshall cleans generally have more liquid shimmer than Fenders. A TMB 36W would give you plenty of each.

Fredaxis · Post by **Fredaxis** » Wed 04/19/06 4:40 am

clean = fender 6L6 based combo ; If you want clean build a fender. I did and I like it a whole bunch

EBE, which Fender did you clone ?
I am looking for that "blackface clean" for a futur project.
Already have a 6L6 Bogen to convert and some nice NOS Tungsol 5881.

My idea would be to use both 18W and 5E3 for grind and ABYing a "40W" blackface for clean. Loud enought ?

Post by **zaphod_phil** » Wed 04/19/06 5:12 am

IIRC Stevie Ray Vaughan did the opposite. He used modded BF Fenders for his distortion sounds and Marshalls for the clean tones. Like I said, you can't beat the shimmering cleans of a Marshall.

Fredaxis · Post by **Fredaxis** » Wed 04/19/06 5:34 am

Hi Phil,

I agree with you about Marshall amps having great clean tone but....
What I have/will have on hand are:

1* 18 watt TMB
1* Dynacord 18 watt liteIIb (ordered the parts last week !!!)
1*5E3 (great clean too, but at low volume)

In front of a drummer, hard to get great clean with those beasts.
And this Bogen waiting to become a more powerfull/headroomy BF.
So...

BTW, did you see that Dynacord on ebay.de ?

A stupid question: what means IIRC ?

Post by **zaphod_phil** » Wed 04/19/06 5:55 am

I agree with you, but I just mentioned SRV out of interest. It's true that neither the 18W nor 5E3 would have much clean headroom, although you can mod 5E3s to clean them up - even put the 5881s in the power stage.

Actually with those 5881s, I would really recommend you try building a 5F6A Bassman.

IIRC = if I recall correctly

I answered your e-mail about the Dynacord a few minutes ago. I think he wants cash on collection, which would be a little difficult for me, without flying to Germany...

tubetek · Post by **tubetek** » Wed 04/19/06 6:10 am

IMHO, the all-time cleanest guitar amps I've ever used are/were the 100 watt Ampegs like the V4. My favorite (to my ears) is the blackface Fender SuperReverb. A/B between that for clean and an 18 OR 36 for lead/grind and you're in tone heaven at anything up to way beyond leasebreaking SPL.
(but you've gotta feed yer girlfriend/roadie steroids to lug 'em around for you!)
tubetek

Jef · Post by **Jef** » Wed 04/19/06 6:17 am

My idea would be to use both 18W and 5E3 for grind and ABYing a "40W" blackface for clean. Loud enought ?

that's exactly what I do: 18wTMB and/or 5e3 for grind and a Fender Bandmaster Reverb for clean. Sounds great.

My next project will be based on the Fender Vibro King which is kinda like a standalone Fender reverb unit coupled to a simplified tweed bassman.

Jef

Fredaxis · Post by **Fredaxis** » Wed 04/19/06 6:29 am

Modding my 5e3 for clean ???
Bouuhhhh no way !!!!!!!

It would defeat the purpose of having a 5E3. (IIRC someone told me "distortion is the tone")

I thought some times ago about doing a Bassman with the Bogen, as I really love that sound also, but I guess that it will be one more "crunchy" amp....

How about a 5F6a power amp with a AB763 preamp ?

EBE · Post by **EBE** » Wed 04/19/06 7:03 am

Fredaxis wrote:
clean = fender 6L6 based combo ; If you want clean build a fender. I did and I like it a whole bunch
EBE, which Fender did you clone ?
I am looking for that "blackface clean" for a futur project.
Already have a 6L6 Bogen to convert and some nice NOS Tungsol 5881.

My idea would be to use both 18W and 5E3 for grind and ABYing a "40W" blackface for clean. Loud enought ?

I built a AB763 with bias vary trem instead. Deluxe reverb sized but I used trannies from allen amps so I run 6L6s. Plenty loud for medium sized clubs.

EBE · Post by **EBE** » Wed 04/19/06 7:05 am

zaphod_phil wrote:IIRC Stevie Ray Vaughan did the opposite. He used modded BF Fenders for his distortion sounds and Marshalls for the clean tones. Like I said, you can't beat the shimmering cleans of a Marshall.

Hey Phil, check your signature......

Post by **zaphod_phil** » Wed 04/19/06 7:19 am

Fredaxis wrote: I thought some times ago about doing a Bassman with the Bogen, as I really love that sound also, but I guess that it will be one more "crunchy" amp....

No, actually it will be very similar to a BF in that respect - ie warm Fendery clean, until pushed very hard. This is mainly due to two things - the 12AY7 in the preamp and the 5881 power valves. Even it's higher gain brother, the JTM45 (with 12AX7 and KT66s), stays clean until it's very loud!

Fredaxis wrote:IIRC someone told me "distortion is the tone"

EBE wrote:Hey Phil, check your signature......

Yeah OK, guys. I try to help someone and you just make fun of me!

Yes, clean is OK sometimes. But the distortion zone is where all the real action is!

Fredaxis · Post by **Fredaxis** » Wed 04/19/06 7:29 am

So,so,so......

What I am waiting for ?
I have got everything on hand, even 4 60's Japanese 10" speaker with huge alnico magnets...........

Time to drill a 5f6a board. Any advantage to add a bias trim pot ?

Orange drop or sozo ?

Do you think it could reach some Gilmore/Knopfler clean strat sound ?

Buschman · Post by **Buschman** » Wed 04/19/06 7:47 am

The 5f6a will Knofler very well. 4 tens @ 2 ohms in a pine box really adds up for a complex tone. Definately add a bias pot. I might even make el34s an option. If you want loud & real clean from a Marshall its got to be a 50 or 100 watter. The 18 watt has beautiful clean only if you are in your living room. At most club volumes you have to push it harder than that.

EBE · Post by **EBE** » Wed 04/19/06 7:53 am

Buschman wrote:If you want loud & real clean from a Marshall its got to be a 50 or 100 watter. The 18 watt has beautiful clean only if you are in your living room. At most club volumes you have to push it harder than that.

Exactly.

Fredaxis · Post by **Fredaxis** » Wed 04/19/06 7:57 am

Hi Buschman,

My 10" are 8 Ohms each, so I will end up with 8 Ohms total, with an OT going for 4/8/16 Ohms.

As this 2 Ohms load something to see with the Bassman sound ?

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